Doomsday In 2012?

[Fc3sZero 78]

Well we're all gona die we might as well all die in 1 day

 

Well.... I think if someone were to die it would be instantaneous. So the chances of something dying in 1 day is pretty high. Like 1's and 0's. Your either dead or alive.

[CompanionCube 40]

just how is the world gonna end IF it does

[dragoonerzerg 0]

if u guys are going to say its bullshit, its good to back it up. scientists have found that the mayans made that calendar and it predicted exactly when meteorites will strike earth and when comets will come to earth. that calendar predicted these dates and times that the lunar eclipse will happen. all those things they dated back then somehow came true like the eclipse not too long ago that happened right on the date the mayans predicted in their calendar. heres a video of what im talking about.

 

part 1 of 2

[LoyaL 68]

The theory that is supported by astronomers has nothing to do with all of that, as far as I know.

 

THe Mayans were famous for having painstakingly accurate calendars based on astronomy, they were avid star worshipers even by today's standards. In the year 2012, the Earth will be passing through an Asteroid Field known as the ?Kaiper? Belt. Now, the Mayans didn't have the tools we have today, so they probably assumed that meant the end of the world. Who knows? Regardless, I am sure this has beenstudied and the trajectories all worked out, and We are probably fine.

 

 

Live every day the best you can anyways.

Edited May 31, 2008 by LoyaL

[Fc3sZero 78]

A teacher can teach math for 50 years but he could make a mistake once.

 

They are accurate from what people say but they are as human as the rest us. They can't be perfect.

Edited May 31, 2008 by Fc3sZero

[dragoonerzerg 0]

the mayans are fucking devil worshipers. the world is not going to end in 2012. even the bible says noone knows except the father.

 

the bible says that noone even Jesus doesnt know the hour and day and time of the end on the father. but that doesnt mean there is no clues.

 

lol clues lolol funny word lol haha yeah anyways.....

 

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/...cond_coming.htm

 

now the middle of the page is exceptionally important. its the part where there is a chart with the years that is statistically likely.

 

i dont quote it here because it will not be worth reading here for it will be really messy.

 

World economic system crash due to debt and greed is likely sometime in-between 2008-2020. Add 10-15 years for a new high speed electronic system to be set up worldwide.

its funny how that quote is said that it will happen sometime between 2008-2020. O geez i didnt notice the fucking gas prices are going up and will continue in a record price and i never heard that the stock market people said thats someday in the future and likely in the next decade america will go bankrupt.

 

well just read the page and especially the chart. no matter how much u try to say its fake and stuff, *receiving incoming transmission everything in the world rite now is leading to those events and some of those events are about to happen rite now such as that economy debt. well its 2008 and its looks certain that america is going to fall.

 

and OMG the presidency election rite? i dont know about that but lets keep a good eye on it. they promised they spend shitlloads of money on stuff like greener earth and better shit, well fine. lets just keep an eye on that

 

and many christians believe that the earth is 6ooo years old. the bible says 1 day for the LORD = 1ooo years for the LORD. now use this info i gave u for the 1st line of information on the chart in the middle of the page/link i gave u.

 

once again the URL is http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/...cond_coming.htm

[LoyaL 68]

Oh yeah, because the bible is the source of all knowledge.

 

Let's all base our lives off of that, it couldn't possibly kill millions of people!

 

Oh shit.. never mind.

[Fc3sZero 78]

Oh yeah, because the bible is the source of all knowledge.

 

Let's all base our lives off of that, it couldn't possibly kill millions of people!

 

Oh shit.. never mind.

 

 

Haha word

[blight 0]

Well since you brought this up, I feel the need to bring flaws regarding many Christians' beliefs based on biblical numerics.

 

and many christians believe that the earth is 6ooo years old. the bible says 1 day for the LORD = 1ooo years for the LORD. now use this info i gave u for the 1st line of information on the chart in the middle of the page/link i gave u.

 

once again the URL is http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/...cond_coming.htm

 

People equate numbers in ways like that when they assume that numbers in the bible are absolutely literal. But that assumption doesn't necessarily work when we consider that the bible was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic. Idunno anything about Aramaic, but I know that Hebrew numbers have a lot of symbolism tied into them. There's a lot of numerical repitition in the bible:

 

The number 40 is significant in Jewish, Christian, Islamic, and other Middle Eastern traditions; it can also represent a rough calculation, a huge sum of units, or simply put, a lot of something.

 

"Forty days and forty nights" describes the period for which rain fell during Noah's flood

"Forty days" was the length of the period that the twelve spies explored the Promised Land (Numbers 13)

"Forty years" was the length of Israel's wandering in the wilderness. This period of years represents a generation, that is, the time it takes for a new generation to arise.

Moses' life is divided into three 40-year segments, separated by his fleeing from Egypt, and his return to lead the people out.

Several Israelite leaders and kings are said to have ruled for "forty years", that is, a generation. (Examples: Eli, Saul, David, Solomon.)

According to the Midrash, Moses spent three consecutive periods of "forty days and forty nights" on Mount Sinai

 

With that much numeric repetition(and there's so much more), it's unlikely just coincidence. It's much more likely that they used the number 40 to convey "a lot" of this or that. Same goes for other numbers in different symbolic situations. Because of that, if nothing else, it's a waste of time to think that we can use some simple mathematics and set X amount of years on Earth to some amount of time passage that God experiences, and then take the process further in order to predict the second coming. If it was really meant to be that simple, they probably would have just included a date for it in the bible, because being that roundabout about it would just be silly.

 

And since there is no specific date set in the bible, then it seems apparent that God didn't intend for us to know the date, right? I can only imagine that for a Christian to think that they can use some simple mathematics to find out something God didn't intend for us to know, would in fact, be an insult to his intelligence, wouldn't it? At the very least, it's not a very obedient state of mind.

[dragoonerzerg 0]

Well since you brought this up, I feel the need to bring flaws regarding many Christians' beliefs based on biblical numerics.

 

and many christians believe that the earth is 6ooo years old. the bible says 1 day for the LORD = 1ooo years for the LORD. now use this info i gave u for the 1st line of information on the chart in the middle of the page/link i gave u.

 

once again the URL is http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/...cond_coming.htm

 

People equate numbers in ways like that when they assume that numbers in the bible are absolutely literal. But that assumption doesn't necessarily work when we consider that the bible was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic. Idunno anything about Aramaic, but I know that Hebrew numbers have a lot of symbolism tied into them. There's a lot of numerical repitition in the bible:

 

The number 40 is significant in Jewish, Christian, Islamic, and other Middle Eastern traditions; it can also represent a rough calculation, a huge sum of units, or simply put, a lot of something.

 

"Forty days and forty nights" describes the period for which rain fell during Noah's flood

"Forty days" was the length of the period that the twelve spies explored the Promised Land (Numbers 13)

"Forty years" was the length of Israel's wandering in the wilderness. This period of years represents a generation, that is, the time it takes for a new generation to arise.

Moses' life is divided into three 40-year segments, separated by his fleeing from Egypt, and his return to lead the people out.

Several Israelite leaders and kings are said to have ruled for "forty years", that is, a generation. (Examples: Eli, Saul, David, Solomon.)

According to the Midrash, Moses spent three consecutive periods of "forty days and forty nights" on Mount Sinai

With that much numeric repetition(and there's so much more), it's unlikely just coincidence. It's much more likely that they used the number 40 to convey "a lot" of this or that. Same goes for other numbers in different symbolic situations. Because of that, if nothing else, it's a waste of time to think that we can use some simple mathematics and set X amount of years on Earth to some amount of time passage that God experiences, and then take the process further in order to predict the second coming. If it was really meant to be that simple, they probably would have just included a date for it in the bible, because being that roundabout about it would just be silly.

 

And since there is no specific date set in the bible, then it seems apparent that God didn't intend for us to know the date, right? I can only imagine that for a Christian to think that they can use some simple mathematics to find out something God didn't intend for us to know, would in fact, be an insult to his intelligence, wouldn't it? At the very least, it's not a very obedient state of mind.

are you christian urself? otherwise its going to be one of those wrong critics point of view of which they really didnt actually go through reading the bible and studying it and instead bring a bunch of quotes.

 

40 is a holy number. 7 is a holy number. 1 day = a thousand years for the LORD. it wasnt 40 days when Moses was with the Israelites in the wilderness. it was 40 years. it was not days.

 

wut the bible says is true and some parts of it is not actually litteral to what it says.

 

however

Israel's rebirth as a state in 1948 or Jerusalem being taken by the Jews in 1967 - The parable of the fig tree (mat 24:32) might indicate that the generation seeing one of these two events will not pass away before all is fulfilled. This projection assumes that the generation Jesus said would not pass away, has a normal life span of 70 to 80 years.

yes the reunited nation of Israel is a one of biggest prophecies of the bible fulfilled.

 

now the author of that webpage did such heavy research that if anyone would come up to him after doing only like 5 min or nothing research and says he is wrong without actually understanding what the Bible teaches

 

only the Father knows the exact time when Jesus will be coming. but that doesnt mean we have no clue. bible scholars say there are many verses in the bible that talk about the end times and His second coming. the wars and famine and all that stuff are all clues. we dont know exactly but there are clues

 

people and even some christians say the end will not come. then they must have not paid attention. the rebuilt nation of the Israelites in 1948 is one the THE biggest signs out there. many bible experts agree that the generation that is born after this prophecy is fulfilled will not pass away before Christ's second coming.

lets think. after the Israelites is made a nation again in 1948, there was such increase prophecies being fulfilled. many countries want the Jews to be exterminated.

 

Russia will invade Israel in the end times

 

By Don Koenig

 

 

The scriptures indicate that a northern army will invade Israel in the last days. Bible scholars have traced the tribes and have determined that this northern army is led by tribes that have settled in Russia. This prophecy has never been fulfilled so it will be fulfilled in the future.

 

The details of this invasion from the north are given in Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39. The allies that come with this northern invader are named by nation (tribe). Today most of these nations are Islamic and are enemies of Israel. Ezekiel even lists the countries that will question the reason for this invasion. These nations seem to be nations that come out of the old British Empire. Ezekiel mentions these nations as Tarshish, all her young lions (English speaking nations), Sheba and Dedan (Arabia). The alignment of nations predicted in Ezekiel is the alignment that we see in that region today. (The exception is Turkey but this piece is likely to fall into place very shortly.) God said He will destroy this northern army that comes against Israel and by doing so He will magnify Himself and become known to many nations.

 

It says in Ezekiel that at the time of this invasion God will send fire on Magog (Russia) and those that dwell securely in the isles (or coast lands), and that they shall know that He is Jehovah (this could include the United States).

Russia is moving toward superpower status again and a new dictatorship

 

Russia is emerging out of the depression it was in for many years. New growth in the economy will soon bring Russia back to superpower status again. Nationalism, lawlessness and anti-Semitism are rising today in Russia. Most of the former Soviet bloc leaders of the old Soviet Union have come back into power. Over fifty percent of the positions of power in Russia including the President are occupied by former KGB officers. They lament the fall of the old Soviet Union and they wish to form a new union of nations led by Russia. There is no longer total freedom of speech in Russia. TV and other media's are once again government controlled. The new steps taken by Putin to regain centralized control will eventually lead to a new dictatorship.

 

Russia continues to modernize its nuclear weapons and to prepare underground facilities in case of war. Russia has successfully developed a new long rang missile that can change directions after launch. These missiles can successfully penetrate the antimissile system shield that is being developed by the United States.

 

Russia also has strategic ties to regional Islamic countries. Russia is actively aiding Iran in building a nuclear power plant even though Iran is sitting on top of large oil fields that will provide all the energy it needs for fifty years. The Arab/Islamic countries have one common enemy and at some point they will try to rid themselves of the Israeli presence with Russia as their protector. The prophecies in Ezekiel 38 and 39 indicate that God will put a hook in the jaw of Russia and bring her down against the land of Israel in the latter years. The hook could very well be the defense pacts and economic agreements that Russia has established with Syria, Iran and other Islamic nations. In the battle described in Ezekiel, Russia will be the leader of a regional coalition against Israel.

 

Until this battle Russia will continue to be a world power

 

 

The United States had been dismantling its nuclear capability as if Russia were no longer a world threat but Russia's nuclear submarine and missile capability has been modernized and is quite capable of destroying the United States or any adversary. Scripture says that this army from the north will be splendidly attired. This could mean that they will be equipped with every conceivable weapon. Russia still has a large population of educated scientists that could develop formidable military weapons very quickly if that becomes their paramount concern and national focus.

 

Some think the United States and Russia are no longer a threat to each other yet Russia almost always takes a position that is contrary to the national security interests of the United States. Russia exports nuclear technology and advanced weapons of war that they know will be used against the United States, Israel, and the West. Russia has a world agenda that willfully arms Islamic fascism and rogue dictators to carry out warfare against the West. The major world powers enabling Islamic fascism and other nations confessing hatred toward the United States are Russia and China. Although Russia and Western leaders announced the end of the cold war after the fall of the Soviet Union the recent actions and rhetoric of Russia indicate that the cold war continues.

Signs of the time

 

Russia is following in the footsteps of Germany before the second World War. National pride and the memory of the empire they once had is now compelling them to rebuild a strong military under an authoritative leader. The present president of Russia is gaining more power all the time and he has specifically stated that his primary goal is to bring Russia to world superpower status again.

 

If we assume that it will take Russia about 10 to 15 years to accomplish the reestablishment of a first class military, it probably is no coincidence that the same amount of time is needed for the Arab/Islamic block to become a real nuclear military threat to Israel.

 

They will indeed join forces in this battle when Russia invades Israel as Ezekiel prophesied over twenty-five hundred years ago. All indications are that the battle against Israel that is described in Ezekiel 38 and 39, and the supernatural defeat of these forces by God will take place in this generation.

source of information http://www.thepropheticyears.com/reasons/Russia.htm

 

to answer ur last part of ur post, read the first 2 paragraphs http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/...cond_coming.htm

[Azu 24]

A perfect example of this would be the upcoming 2038 big (much like y2k) where most old machines (like linux and win98) are not 2038 complaint (their clocks don't go that high)

 

 

Uh???

[LoyaL 68]

are you christian urself? otherwise its going to be one of those wrong critics point of view of which they really didnt actually go through reading the bible and studying it and instead bring a bunch of quotes.

 

I am not christian yet i have studied the bible more than 80% of Christians.

 

I was however baptized Catholic.

 

I am long since agnostic.

 

 

Anyways, in regards to what you said.

 

Most Christians don't even follow the bible. If you did you would have long since been arrested for crimes against humanity.

[Fc3sZero 78]

Couldn't have chopped that up a little?

 

 

 

Are you christian yourself? otherwise its going to be one of those wrong critics point of view of which they really didnt actually go through reading the bible and studying it and instead bring a bunch of quotes.

Just because a person is not Christian doesn't mean they don't understand completely what the bible is saying. They're bible experts out there that spent a lot time studying the bible that are not Christians. I know plenty of Christians that read it and only pick out the parts that are more convenient for them to live life by.

 

 

What the bible says is true

That remains to be seen but you probably understand there is a difference between "Fact" and "Truth".

[Zar 696]

Most Christians don't even follow the bible. If you did you would have long since been arrested for crimes against humanity.

Really and what crimes would that be that the bible tells you to do? I want quotes and chapters and versus to prove this because I don't know of any. Please enlighten me with your great knowledge of the bible and its crimes against humanity!

 

*has his bible out and ready*

[LoyaL 68]

Turn to the book of Leviticus. I think it may be cut out of the king james bible.

 

Enjoy.

 

Edit:

 

For good measure i will quote some of them.

 

You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, you will know them by their fruits.

— Matthew 7:16-20

 

 

 

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

— 1 Samuel 15:3

 

 

For the LORD your God will bless you [israel] as he has promised … You will rule over many nations, but none will rule over you.

— Deuteronomy 15:6

 

 

 

When the LORD your God brings you into the land he swore to your fathers to give you — a land with large, flourishing cities that you did not build, houses filled with all kinds of good things that you did not provide, wells that you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves that you did not plant — then when you eat and are satisfied, be careful that you do not forget the LORD…

— Deuteronomy 6:10-12

 

 

 

 

And if [God] rescued Lot, a righteous(!) man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men, for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard.

— 2 Peter 2:7-8

 

 

The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it.”

— Exodus 12:43

 

 

 

At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts. Every creditor shall cancel the loan he has made to his fellow Israelite. He shall not require payment from his fellow Israelite or brother, because the LORD’s time for canceling debts has been proclaimed. You may require payment from a foreigner, but you must cancel any debt your [israelite] brother owes you.

— Deuteronomy 15:1-3

 

 

The poor are shunned even by their neighbors, but the rich have many friends.

— Proverbs 14:20

 

 

Wealth brings many friends, but a poor man’s friends desert him.

— Proverbs 19:4

 

The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

— Proverbs 22:7

 

 

The LORD said to Hosea, “Go, take for yourself an adulterous wife and unfaithful children…”

— Hosea 1:2

 

 

 

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

— Ezekiel 23:20

 

 

In the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you.

— Deuteronomy 20:16-17

 

 

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life…

— Leviticus 25:44-46

 

 

The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword: their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.

— Hosea 13:16

 

 

You will destroy their descendants from the earth, their posterity from mankind.

— Psalm 21:10

 

Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies. Like a slug melting away as it moves along, like a stillborn child, may they not see the sun.

— Psalm 58:3, 8

 

E’phraim’s glory shall fly away like a bird — no birth, no pregnancy, no conception! Even if they bring up children, I will bereave them till none is left. Woe to them when I depart from them!

— Hosea 9:11-12, RSV

 

Give them, O LORD — what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. E’phraim is stricken, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit. Even though they bring forth, I will slay their beloved children.

— Hosea 9:14, 16, RSV

 

 

Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword and kill me, so they can’t say that a woman killed me.” So his servant ran him through, and he died.

— Judges 9:54

 

 

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

— 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

 

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived, it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

— 1 Timothy 2:11-14

 

 

Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us — he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks!

— Psalm 137:8-9

 

The LORD commands: “kill without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children”

— Ezekiel 9:5-6

 

 

And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul … Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

— 1 Samuel 18:1, 3-4, KJV

 

I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.

— 2 Samuel 1:26

 

 

If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

— Leviticus 20:9

 

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, and will not listen to them when they discipline him, they shall seize him and bring him before the elders. Then they shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is immoral and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be AFRAID.

— Deuteronomy 21:18-21

 

He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.

— Proverbs 13:24

 

Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.

— Proverbs 20:30

 

Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.

— Proverbs 23:13-14

 

Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.

— Proverbs 22:15

 

 

Give beer to those who are perishing and wine to those who are in anguish; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.

— Proverbs 31:6-7

 

Then the LORD awoke as from sleep, as a man wakes from the stupor of wine.

— Psalm 78:65

 

This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you… But if they refuse to take the cup from your hand and drink, tell them, “This is what the LORD Almighty says: You must drink it!”

— Jeremiah 25:27-28

 

Please enlighten me with your great knowledge of the bible and its crimes against humanity!

 

Not so much my great knowledge, it is opinion. But i still hope to enlighten you.

 

For those weak in pulling out meaning you have there:

Homosexuality

Adultery

Slaughter

Slavery

Genocide

Nazism

Imperialism

Sexism

Child Abuse

Abortion

Pornography

Glorification of The Rich

 

and more.

Edited June 2, 2008 by LoyaL

[dragoonerzerg 0]

sooner or later the LORD shall curse u for saying such a thing.

 

u have been quoting from the bibles yes but u have also cut out the full view and point of those verses. may the LORD choose the revenge.

 

what good is a person that "studies" the bible without ever accepting Christ as their personal Lord and Savior? what good does it have when u dont have the blessing of wisdom for His Word. how can one possibly call himself "bible experts" without even really get to know about God with a close relationship?

 

how so is it that "u study the bible more than 80% of all the overall christians"? where did u get that 80% from?

 

ok. how do people talk to God and what should they do before they start to talking God?

let me test if u are of the Holy Spirit or of the Devil

[Fc3sZero 78]

Typically people that claim they talk to God are admitted to the ward. You can say the second coming of Christ is near but anyone claiming to be him would be laughed at and taunted.

 

..and you can curse me and threaten me all you want. I will not follow a group of people out of fear for punishment from some being that no one has ever seen or heard from. Any ideas that keep people in check becuase of fear is a evil thing to me.

 

I gave up the idea of God long ago when I realized that men use this to hold sway over people, direct them as they see fit and drain the very life out of them for their own gain. I don't trust another man's word when it comes to how to live my life and the Bible was written and rewritten by men. How can you be so sure that the original idea was kept?

 

 

Like LoyaL said:

 

Adultery

Slavery

Genocide

Imperialism

Sexism

Child Abuse

Abortion

Pornography

 

Those all seem to benefit men and written in there to justify their actions. Those are not lessons I would teach my son. I want him to grow up and be a productive member of society with good intentions.

 

I'd believe in God if he/she/it showed up and met me in person. But then again there is a verse in there that bad mouths people that think that way. They about got everything covered so you couldn't think for yourself.

Edited June 2, 2008 by Fc3sZero

[blight 0]

Since you asked earlier, yes, I am a Christian myself. However, that doesn't mean that I think people should follow absolutely everything blindly. There are some things that God expects us to do in faith, without question. But there are some things that must be questioned in the exploration of one's religion. If someone can't do that then they are less likely to have a sturdy foundation regarding your beliefs, as those beliefs will be based on blind trust. And I'm not talking about solid proof like "show me a sign" or anything like that. Also, as far as being/not being Christian, it has nothing to do with any of this. Someone's opinions aren't invalid just because they aren't the same religion as you. In fact, bringing your own personal beliefs into the discussion is more likely to weaken the validity of your statements. You can't convince people of anything with a book they don't believe in, after all.

 

sooner or later the LORD shall curse u for saying such a thing.

 

A bit self-righteous, don't you think?

 

u have been quoting from the bibles yes but u have also cut out the full view and point of those verses. may the LORD choose the revenge.

 

A lot of preachers do that and nobody gives them crap about it. Not to mention the fact that, considering how many times the bible's been translated, they're just as likely to interpret it as correctly as you are.

 

what good is a person that "studies" the bible without ever accepting Christ as their personal Lord and Savior? what good does it have when u dont have the blessing of wisdom for His Word. how can one possibly call himself "bible experts" without even really get to know about God with a close relationship?

 

Well then, it only seems fair to ask, what good is a person who accepts Christ as their personal Lord and Savior without "studying" the bible? Do you have any idea how many people are "Christians" but don't study the bible? How about the amount that don't go to church, but still claim Christianity? You're being a bit of an elitist right now, and very judgemental. Doesn't seem like a very "Christian" attitude. You may think you're simply speaking with conviction, but you're really just being an asshole to people who don't believe what you believe. In fact, the way you're going about discussing this topic in general, you've probably done more damage than good. Any non-believers in here have probably become that much less likely to accept what you consider truth, simply because of the way you've presented your argument. Do you really think it's the way God would intend for you to go about it?

 

 

ok. how do people talk to God and what should they do before they start to talking God?

let me test if u are of the Holy Spirit or of the Devil

 

Wow. Somebody thinks pretty highly of themself. Who the hell are you to "test" anyone but yourself? I'm curious...if he's "of the devil" then what exactly are you gonna do about it?

[Dr.Winkey 57]

I really don't like religious debates. There are so many people that are confused about religion. There are so many terrible things that have happened due to someones "holy tendencies". We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion. This has happened in all religious sects and in non-religious ones. The point is wither religious or not, people have their own choice to make decisions, either good or bad, and most of those people would like all their decisions to be "good ones". So they get the permission from the pope or any other authority figure so that they can be "justified" in their decisions.

 

This is not good. Is it possible for us to have the best motives and intentions and still produce undesirable results? In what ways can we unrighteously dominate the lives of others? Obviously this is a matter of picking and choosing importance, for not only do we bring others into harms way by our misuse of power, but also it appears that our own prospects for eternal advancement are closely related to our learning to use the authority and power righteously.

 

If we are going to interact with each other in the right way, it is necessary to understand the importance of the gift of agency, (the freedom to exercise one’s own will). Of course, one person's agency is of little productive value unless it is accompanied by knowledge and understanding. When knowledge and understanding are used with agency, a condition is achieved that we call accountability. And accountability is what these people want to avoid by using religion and authority as a scapegoat.

 

Religion is not "bad" unless the leaders and people use their free will and choice to do harm in the name of the "said church". It becomes "bad" when they use this authority to get gain and to do their own design and not follow the teachings of peace and love and good will towards all men.

[LoyaL 68]

sooner or later the LORD shall curse u for saying such a thing.

u have been quoting from the bibles yes but u have also cut out the full view and point of those verses. may the LORD choose the revenge.

what good is a person that "studies" the bible without ever accepting Christ as their personal Lord and Savior? what good does it have when u dont have the blessing of wisdom for His Word. how can one possibly call himself "bible experts" without even really get to know about God with a close relationship?

how so is it that "u study the bible more than 80% of all the overall christians"? where did u get that 80% from?

ok. how do people talk to God and what should they do before they start to talking God?

let me test if u are of the Holy Spirit or of the Devil

 

So God, this all powerful, all seeing, all creating being is going to bear to grudge against me the small insult that i did not give him a name? I chose rather to live a good life for the sake of living it instead of for promises of a glory land of my dreams. Heaven and Hell are basic scare tactics originally invented to keep people's hands open and giving money to the church.

 

Although i am honored that you would assume me the Devil, a creature that has apparently lived for 10,000 years and was once an angel.

People who don't believe in a certain God and still live benevolent lives are the real strong ones. You are living a good life as a ticket into heaven.

 

FYI

There are people all over the world with beliefs much different than your own, but have the same conviction to them being right. What makes you correct over them?

 

I am agnostic. I have a God, he is just nameless.

 

Don't judge me. Don't demean me. Don't condescend me.

I would have used to say a true Christian wouldn't do those things, but when i decided to actually read the bible. Actually interpret it. Actually spend my time figuring it out, You are a true Christian. Haughty to those who don't share your beliefs, and condescending to those who deny your God. Your bible.

I am near positive if you had a choice you would sacrifice all those who deny your lord. And guess what? If you didn't, you wouldn't be following the bible.

 

 

 

Now, onto tearing apart your post.

 

sooner or later the LORD shall curse u for saying such a thing.

I never said anything against the Lord. He has no reason to curse me down. I am only talking with malice towards the bible.

 

u have been quoting from the bibles yes but u have also cut out the full view and point of those verses. may the LORD choose the revenge.

Those quotes are out of context, as all quotes are, but do not misinterpret them. They all have the exact same meaning in context as taken out.

 

what good is a person that "studies" the bible without ever accepting Christ as their personal Lord and Savior? what good does it have when u dont have the blessing of wisdom for His Word. how can one possibly call himself "bible experts" without even really get to know about God with a close relationship?

Because God didn't write the bible, man did.

What good is studying history without ever actually meeting George Washington or Napoleon?

How do you presume I gain a close relation ship to God? I never talked to God, although i was a firm believer in Christianity for fourteen years. I went to church twice a week and had bible study daily for an hour in religion class. I spent nearly thirty minutes a day praying.

 

how so is it that "u study the bible more than 80% of all the overall christians"? where did u get that 80% from?

ok.

 

80% is the same as saying Four-Fifths. It was an exaggeration, but I do assume it is close to accurate.

 

ok. how do people talk to God and what should they do before they start to talking God?

let me test if u are of the Holy Spirit or of the Devil

Basic Religious Defense. "You haven't seen what i have seen."

How can you demean atheism or Buddhism without actually coming close to their Gods? How Can you know it is wrong if you haven't embraced the culture your entire life and lived as it is meant to be lived?

 

 

So, Please. In your infinite grace and wisdom bestowed upon only you by the lord in one of your many personal talks, convert me back to Christianity.

 

 

Also, since you have been judging me, i would like to get a small bit of prejudice in head way.

 

Your account name is "B===========D~~~."

I believe that is all i need say, from a judgmental standpoint.

Edited June 2, 2008 by LoyaL

[Protoman 56]

I beaten that B-net sn last weekend. :D

 

Anyhow, I believe others should be granted the choice of religion and shouldn't base everything according to the bible. The bible has been written by man over 10,000 years. People could have easily altered the information in accordance to the way they interpret the bible. That would include erasing or adding information within that time period. You really don't know the truth, but can only assume what you've been told. A brief stereotype of your life would involve a boy raised around the idea of God by his parents. You were scolded if you said/ did anything wrong in accordance to their belief. Their religion now reflected upon you.

Religion wasn't entirely forced upon me, because I do believe in a higher being. Just because I believe doesn't mean I have an obsession over my belief. Preceding towards the road of righteousness reflects morals and ethics. Laws were bestowed upon us to ensure consequences to those who take criminal actions.

 

This argument was targeting the penis dude. :D

Edited June 3, 2008 by Protoman

[LoyaL 68]

Why did you include that huge fucking quote in your post. Please, edit that out.

[Protoman 56]

Why did you include that huge fucking quote in your post. Please, edit that out.

 

For some odd reason, I couldn't edit out portions of your information. Anyhow, I removed your complete argument. Must have really took some thought to post something that large over the internet. After today, that post would no longer matter.

Edited June 2, 2008 by Protoman

[Zar 696]

I really don't like religious debates. There are so many people that are confused about religion. There are so many terrible things that have happened due to someones "holy tendencies". We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion. This has happened in all religious sects and in non-religious ones. The point is wither religious or not, people have their own choice to make decisions, either good or bad, and most of those people would like all their decisions to be "good ones". So they get the permission from the pope or any other authority figure so that they can be "justified" in their decisions.

 

This is not good. Is it possible for us to have the best motives and intentions and still produce undesirable results? In what ways can we unrighteously dominate the lives of others? Obviously this is a matter of picking and choosing importance, for not only do we bring others into harms way by our misuse of power, but also it appears that our own prospects for eternal advancement are closely related to our learning to use the authority and power righteously.

 

If we are going to interact with each other in the right way, it is necessary to understand the importance of the gift of agency, (the freedom to exercise one’s own will). Of course, one person's agency is of little productive value unless it is accompanied by knowledge and understanding. When knowledge and understanding are used with agency, a condition is achieved that we call accountability. And accountability is what these people want to avoid by using religion and authority as a scapegoat.

 

Religion is not "bad" unless the leaders and people use their free will and choice to do harm in the name of the "said church". It becomes "bad" when they use this authority to get gain and to do their own design and not follow the teachings of peace and love and good will towards all men.

I agree with that Mr.Winkey. Good post + rep

[ProSlasher 176]

I like this loyal guy... :D

 

Lol... Anyways... I am christian, but hell, I have never opened the bible...