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We are all humans, And ever seince the beginning of society we have uncontrollable lust for power.

And the only few who have corrected this lust have always beaten it. History repeats itself and the victors will be chosen all the same.

So I would not worrie about this. The flaw of being evil is that you will always crumble under your own weight.

The government may be corrupted, but our allies are not.

Where to start with you... First off History does not repeat it self, it actually a pattern... But it never repeats itself. Plus, the reason I spread this information and knowledge is to educate others. How are you suppose to gain "allies" if your own people are not educated and aware of whats going on in the world around you. And I only wish this was like a movie where the "evil" people crumble over there weight. But the evil people hold the power and control for now.

 

Also alot of the time its just not the government, its all the lobbiest and people who pay tons of money to support the government... Thats if they past certain bills/laws in there favor.

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We are all humans, And ever seince the beginning of society we have uncontrollable lust for power.

And the only few who have corrected this lust have always beaten it. History repeats itself and the victors will be chosen all the same.

So I would not worrie about this. The flaw of being evil is that you will always crumble under your own weight.

The government may be corrupted, but our allies are not.

Where to start with you... First off History does not repeat it self, it actually a pattern... But it never repeats itself. Plus, the reason I spread this information and knowledge is to educate others. How are you suppose to gain "allies" if your own people are not educated and aware of whats going on in the world around you. And I only wish this was like a movie where the "evil" people crumble over there weight. But the evil people hold the power and control for now.

 

Also alot of the time its just not the government, its all the lobbiest and people who pay tons of money to support the government... Thats if they past certain bills/laws in there favor.

 

We have done alot of things politicaly for other contrys, and we are quite aware of other events. And the "crumble" happens no matter what, sooner or later you will run out of funding/power trying to get more "things" to feed your lust, and when good things are refused it only adds more harm. If you havent noticed that most of the "evil" people are failing at maintaining their econemy (wheather or not its theirs alone.) And history does have a pattern, but the base is always going to be just that.

 

So really, we all go down with them.

If you look around, things get worse for everyone as time passes.

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We are all humans, And ever seince the beginning of society we have uncontrollable lust for power.

And the only few who have corrected this lust have always beaten it. History repeats itself and the victors will be chosen all the same.

So I would not worrie about this. The flaw of being evil is that you will always crumble under your own weight.

The government may be corrupted, but our allies are not.

Where to start with you... First off History does not repeat it self, it actually a pattern... But it never repeats itself. Plus, the reason I spread this information and knowledge is to educate others. How are you suppose to gain "allies" if your own people are not educated and aware of whats going on in the world around you. And I only wish this was like a movie where the "evil" people crumble over there weight. But the evil people hold the power and control for now.

 

Also alot of the time its just not the government, its all the lobbiest and people who pay tons of money to support the government... Thats if they past certain bills/laws in there favor.

 

We have done alot of things politicaly for other contrys, and we are quite aware of other events. And the "crumble" happens no matter what, sooner or later you will run out of funding/power trying to get more "things" to feed your lust, and when good things are refused it only adds more harm. If you havent noticed that most of the "evil" people are failing at maintaining their econemy (wheather or not its theirs alone.) And history does have a pattern, but the base is always going to be just that.

 

So really, we all go down with them.

If you look around, things get worse for everyone as time passes.

 

A matter of fact there are lots of cases where history repeated itself. My example is Hitler and Napoleon's attempt to take over russia. Both of them failed for the same reasons.

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We are all humans, And ever seince the beginning of society we have uncontrollable lust for power.

And the only few who have corrected this lust have always beaten it. History repeats itself and the victors will be chosen all the same.

So I would not worrie about this. The flaw of being evil is that you will always crumble under your own weight.

The government may be corrupted, but our allies are not.

Where to start with you... First off History does not repeat it self, it actually a pattern... But it never repeats itself. Plus, the reason I spread this information and knowledge is to educate others. How are you suppose to gain "allies" if your own people are not educated and aware of whats going on in the world around you. And I only wish this was like a movie where the "evil" people crumble over there weight. But the evil people hold the power and control for now.

 

Also alot of the time its just not the government, its all the lobbiest and people who pay tons of money to support the government... Thats if they past certain bills/laws in there favor.

 

We have done alot of things politicaly for other contrys, and we are quite aware of other events. And the "crumble" happens no matter what, sooner or later you will run out of funding/power trying to get more "things" to feed your lust, and when good things are refused it only adds more harm. If you havent noticed that most of the "evil" people are failing at maintaining their econemy (wheather or not its theirs alone.) And history does have a pattern, but the base is always going to be just that.

 

So really, we all go down with them.

If you look around, things get worse for everyone as time passes.

 

A matter of fact there are lots of cases where history repeated itself. My example is Hitler and Napoleon's attempt to take over russia. Both of them failed for the same reasons.

But relating Hitler and napoleon's to the current situation is different. We are not proposing war all over the world and trying to "conquer" or take over a certain country. Making laws and bills to take away our constitutional rights away is wrong and needs to noticed by people. The reason things get worse over time is because of the fact people are not aware/educated about the issues surrounding us. Also there are plenty of people who believe that what is being done/taken place is the right thing. So it is important to educate and spread the knowledge to others.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution When people don't like whats happening, they do this.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution When people don't like whats happening, they do this.

 

Now instead of double post its... I don't even know... So sorry but I have no idea why its doing this. :unsure:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution When people don't like whats happening, they do this.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution When people don't like whats happening, they do this.

 

 

The American people will not rebel. You kidding me?

 

For a Revolution you need people that don't follow dumb and unconstitutional laws. However, more than 70% of the people I know follow every single rule they know, even if it is completely dumb.

 

So I believe if it goes bad, it will stay bad unless the people awake. If martial law were declared now, there would be some initial resistance, but then it would be dispersed.

 

And why? Because people want to survive and they know they have a higher chance of survival if they do nothing.

 

A bit late reply, but watevs.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution When people don't like whats happening, they do this.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution When people don't like whats happening, they do this.

 

 

The American people will not rebel. You kidding me?

 

For a Revolution you need people that don't follow dumb and unconstitutional laws. However, more than 70% of the people I know follow every single rule they know, even if it is completely dumb.

 

So I believe if it goes bad, it will stay bad unless the people awake. If martial law were declared now, there would be some initial resistance, but then it would be dispersed.

 

And why? Because people want to survive and they know they have a higher chance of survival if they do nothing.

 

A bit late reply, but watevs.

This guy right here.... Gets it. +1

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NSA ADMITS TO SPYING ON YOU

 

NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls

National Security Agency discloses in secret Capitol Hill briefing that thousands of analysts can listen to domestic phone calls. That authorization appears to extend to e-mail and text messages too.

 

by Declan McCullagh June 15, 2013 4:39 PM PDT

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NSA Director Keith Alexander says his agency's analysts, which until recently included Edward Snowden among their ranks, take protecting "civil liberties and privacy and the security of this nation to their heart every day."

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The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls, a participant said.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed on Thursday that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."

If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

Not only does this disclosure shed more light on how the NSA's formidable eavesdropping apparatus works domestically, it also suggests the Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop on phone calls.

James Owens, a spokesman for Nadler, provided a statement on Sunday morning, a day after this article was published, saying: "I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans' phone calls without a specific warrant." Owens said he couldn't comment on what assurances from the Obama administration Nadler was referring to, and said Nadler was unavailable for an interview. (CNET had contacted Nadler for comment on Friday.)

Because the same legal standards that apply to phone calls also apply to e-mail messages, text messages, and instant messages, being able to listen to phone calls would mean the NSA analysts could also access the contents of Internet communications without going before a court and seeking approval.

Nadler's initial statement appears to confirm some of the allegations made by Edward Snowden, a former NSA infrastructure analyst who leaked classified documents to the Guardian. Snowden said in a video interview that, while not all NSA analysts had this ability, he could from Hawaii "wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president."

There are serious "constitutional problems" with this approach, said Kurt Opsahl, a senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation who has litigated warrantless wiretapping cases. "It epitomizes the problem of secret laws."

The NSA declined to comment to CNET. (This is unrelated to the disclosure that the NSA is currently collecting records of the metadata of all domestic Verizon calls, but not the actual contents of the conversations.)

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper released a statement on Sunday saying: "The statement that a single analyst can eavesdrop on domestic communications without proper legal authorization is incorrect and was not briefed to Congress." Clapper's statement did not elaborate, however, on what "proper" authorization would be. Some reports have suggested that permission from a "shift supervisor" would also be required.

The Washington Post disclosed Saturday that the existence of a top-secret NSA program called NUCLEON, which "intercepts telephone calls and routes the spoken words" to a database. Top intelligence officials in the Obama administration, the Post said, "have resolutely refused to offer an estimate of the number of Americans whose calls or e-mails have thus made their way into content databases such as ­NUCLEON."

 

A portion of the NSA's mammoth data center in Bluffdale, Utah, scheduled to open this fall.

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Earlier reports have indicated that the NSA has the ability to record nearly all domestic and international phone calls -- in case an analyst needed to access the recordings in the future. A Wired magazine article last year disclosed that the NSA has established "listening posts" that allow the agency to collect and sift through billions of phone calls through a massive new data center in Utah, "whether they originate within the country or overseas." That includes not just metadata, but also the contents of the communications.

William Binney, a former NSA technical director who helped to modernize the agency's worldwide eavesdropping network, told the Daily Caller this week that the NSA records the phone calls of 500,000 to 1 million people who are on its so-called target list, and perhaps even more. "They look through these phone numbers and they target those and that's what they record," Binney said.

Brewster Kahle, a computer engineer who founded the Internet Archive, has vast experience storing large amounts of data. He created a spreadsheet this week estimating that the cost to store all domestic phone calls a year in cloud storage for data-mining purposes would be about $27 million per year, not counting the cost of extra security for a top-secret program and security clearances for the people involved.

NSA's annual budget is classified but is estimated to be around $10 billion.

Documents that came to light in an EFF lawsuit provide some insight into how the spy agency vacuums up data from telecommunications companies. Mark Klein, who worked as an AT&T technician for over 22 years, disclosed in 2006 (PDF) that he witnessed domestic voice and Internet traffic being surreptitiously "diverted" through a "splitter cabinet" to secure room 641A in one of the company's San Francisco facilities. The room was accessible only to NSA-cleared technicians.

AT&T and other telecommunications companies that allow the NSA to tap into their fiber links receive absolute immunity from civil liability or criminal prosecution, thanks to a law that Congress enacted in 2008 and renewed in 2012. It's a series of amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as the FISA Amendments Act.

That law says surveillance may be authorized by the attorney general and director of national intelligence without prior approval by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, as long as minimization requirements and general procedures blessed by the court are followed.

A requirement of the 2008 law is that the NSA "may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States." A possible interpretation of that language, some legal experts said, is that the agency may vacuum up everything it can domestically -- on the theory that indiscriminate data acquisition was not intended to "target" a specific American citizen.

 

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, an attorney and member of the House Judiciary committee, who said he was "startled" to learn that NSA analysts could eavesdrop on domestic calls without court authorization.

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Rep. Nadler's statement that NSA analysts can listen to calls without court orders came during a House Judiciary hearing on June 13 that included FBI director Robert Mueller as a witness.

Mueller initially sought to downplay concerns about NSA surveillance by claiming that, to listen to a phone call, the government would need to seek "a special, a particularized order from the FISA court directed at that particular phone of that particular individual."

Is information about that procedure "classified in any way?" Nadler asked.

"I don't think so," Mueller replied.

"Then I can say the following," Nadler said. "We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that you could get the specific information from that telephone simply based on an analyst deciding that...In other words, what you just said is incorrect. So there's a conflict."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the head of the Senate Intelligence committee, separately acknowledged that the agency's analysts have the ability to access the "content of a call."

Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), the head of the House Intelligence committee, told CNN on Sunday that the NSA "is not listening to Americans' phone calls" or monitoring their e-mails, and any statements to the contrary are "misinformation." It would be "illegal" for the NSA to do that, Rogers said.

 

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, chair of the Senate Intelligence committee, acknowledged this week that NSA analysts have the ability to access the "content of a call."

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Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell indicated during a House Intelligence hearing in 2007 that the NSA's surveillance process involves "billions" of bulk communications being intercepted, analyzed, and incorporated into a database.

They can be accessed by an analyst who's part of the NSA's "workforce of thousands of people" who are "trained" annually in minimization procedures, he said. (McConnell, who had previously worked as the director of the NSA, is now vice chairman at Booz Allen Hamilton, Snowden's former employer.)

If it were "a U.S. person inside the United States, now that would stimulate the system to get a warrant," McConnell told the committee. "And that is how the process would work. Now, if you have foreign intelligence data, you publish it [inside the federal government]. Because it has foreign intelligence value."

McConnell said during a separate congressional appearance around the same time that he believed the president had the constitutional authority, no matter what the law actually says, to order domestic spying without warrants.

Former FBI counterterrorism agent Tim Clemente told CNN last month that, in national security investigations, the bureau can access records of a previously made telephone call. "All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not," he said. Clemente added in an appearance the next day that, thanks to the "intelligence community" -- an apparent reference to the NSA -- "there's a way to look at digital communications in the past."

NSA Director Keith Alexander said on June 12 that his agency's analysts abide by the law: "They do this lawfully. They take compliance oversight, protecting civil liberties and privacy and the security of this nation to their heart every day."

But that's not always the case. A New York Times article in 2009 revealed the NSA engaged in significant and systemic "overcollection" of Americans' domestic communications that alarmed intelligence officials. The Justice Department said in a statement at the time that it "took comprehensive steps to correct the situation and bring the program into compliance" with the law.

Jameel Jaffer, director of the ACLU's Center for Democracy, says he was surprised to see the 2008 FISA Amendments Act be used to vacuum up information on American citizens. "Everyone who voted for the statute thought it was about international communications," he said.

Updated 6/16 at 11:15 a.m. PT The original headline when the story was published on Saturday was "NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants," which was changed to "NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls," to better match the story. The first paragraph was changed to add attribution to Rep. Nadler. Also added was an additional statement that the congressman's aide sent this morning, an excerpt from a Washington Post story on NSA phone call content surveillance that appeared Saturday, and remarks that Rep. Rogers made on CNN this morning. Updated 6/16 at 10:45 p.m. PT We added one paragraph with a statement provided by DNI James Clapper.]

 

Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-contents-of-u.s-phone-calls/

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However if this bill is passed I won't be upset compared to others. My worry is the ignorant and bias people who could use this to prosecute an innocent person.

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honestly man who thought the NSA doesn't spy on us? Personally I thought and still do think all us government organizations spy on me at all times. And I live in Canada.

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but what they are doing complies with the NDAA so they can get away with it and the media won't cover it too much and the average person will be too busy checking their twitter and facebook while they get raped by the govt

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I just update it. I know people just dont care.

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Under the terms of the National Defense Authorization Act that he personally signed into law, President Barack Obama should immediately be arrested and indefinitely detained for providing support to Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria.

 

President Barack Obama

Section 1021(b)(2) of the NDAA law allows for the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens on “suspicion of providing substantial support” to groups engaged in hostilities against the U.S. such as al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

The indefinite detention provision also applies to Americans who have given “substantial support” to terrorists or other “associated groups”.

Although the administration has attempted to differentiate between FSA militants and Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria, the two groups have become one and the same. Even if you make a distinction between the FSA and Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists in Syria, the FSA is still clearly an “associated group” under the terms of the NDAA.

By announcing that his administration will arm the Syrian rebels in anticipation of a no fly zone being imposed over areas of the country, President Barack Obama is giving direct support, aid and comfort to terrorists. Obama and his top administration officials clearly represent a national security threat to the interests of the United States and should immediately be arrested and detained under the NDAA.

The evidence that FSA militants in Syria are being led by Al-Qaeda terrorists and are carrying out terrorist atrocities is overwhelming.

- Jabhat al-Nusra is now the leading front line fighting force in Syria and is commanding the other rebel groups.

- In April, the head of Jabhat al-Nusra pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahiri.

- FSA rebels are defecting to Jabhat al-Nusra in droves.

- Jabhat al-Nusra killed U.S. troops in Iraq.

- Immediately after the State Department declared Jabhat al-Nusra a terrorist organization, 29 different FSA rebel outfits pledged allegiance to the Al-Qaeda group.

- FSA rebels have vowed to “fight the U.S.” once they finish with Bashar Al-Assad.

- FSA rebels have been filmed burning US and Israeli flags on more than one occasion.

- FSA rebels have been filmed singing songs that glorify Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks.

- One FSA group even calls its fighting unit the “Osama Bin Laden” brigade.

- Another video shows FSA rebels chanting, “We are all with Osama bin Laden!”

- FSA rebels have voiced their desire to see the Al-Qaeda flag fly over the White House once the rebels are victorious across the region.

- FSA rebels have been filmed cutting out people’s hearts on camera and eating them while chanting “Allahu Akbar”.

- FSA rebels have been responsible for innumerable beheadings over the course of the conflict, chanting “Allahu Akbar” as they decapitate their victims.

- FSA rebels have committed innumerable sectarian murders, including beheading a man for being a Christian and feeding him to the dogs.

- FSA rebels have also forced children to behead people and carry out other atrocities.

- FSA rebels have ransacked Christian churches.

- FSA rebels have massacred entire villages of Christians.

- Earlier this week, FSA rebels slaughtered a 14-year-old boy for supposedly insulting Mohammed.

- FSA rebels have murdered numerous journalists in targeted killings, including Maya Nasser and most recently Yara Abbas.

- FSA rebels have been pictured numerous times flying the black flag of Al-Qaeda and wearing uniforms with Al-Qaeda insignia.

- FSA rebels have been caught on camera preparing chemical weapons attacks.

- In March, UN human rights investigator Carla del Ponte said FSA rebels had used chemical weapons.

- FSA rebels have forced prisoners to become suicide bombers.

- According to eyewitnesses on the ground, at least half of the so-called “Syrian rebels” aren’t even Syrian and are foreign jihadists sent by the likes of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

In announcing that his administration will provide arms to Al-Qaeda terrorists and associated groups like the FSA, Obama has violated his oath to protect and defend America against its enemies and should at the very least be subject to immediate impeachment proceedings, if not detained under the NDAA which clearly outlines the illegality of providing support to terrorist organizations.

 

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