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Wish granted, but you become so good that you make such a realistic looking assassin that jumps out of your computer and rapes your body. I wish that I had a apple.

I think I have just jizzed.

<3 Macs I don't have to worry about anything anymore =D.

I agree. I prefer to only post in topics that are from 2009 + , rather than all those necro-topics from 2007.

NOTE: Please read over all the sides of the arguement before voting. Do not vote yes or no just because your friends want you to. I want everyone's true opinion. As discussed here, me and NamelessOne666 think that having a debate sub section in Serious Discussions would be useful for the board because people would be able to argue their opinion about various topics, rather than have a discussion. Nameless attempted to make a topic for debates, but it just seems too crowded to have more than one debate within one topic. If the reason behind it is lack of moderators / time, I will gladly moderate the section, and make the rules.

There is not one. You have me there, debates are forms of Serious Discussions. That is why it should be a sub forum, and not a forum all by itself. However, that is not what I am arguing. I view that the system we have for debates is unorganized, and inefficient. I really don't think the serious discussion section is active enough to warrant a subsection. Regardless, I'd like to wait for several other members to come online and give their feedback and thoughts. Agreed. You, Nameless, and I should not post in here until other members reply.

There is not one. You have me there, debates are forms of Serious Discussions. That is why it should be a sub forum, and not a forum all by itself. However, that is not what I am arguing. I view that the system we have for debates is unorganized, and inefficient.

Listen, we can argue this all day. The way I see it, the easiest thing is to make the board, and have a trial-error sort of thing. I have supplied many reasons, and showed how it makes our board look more organized, and shows off the pure maturity of our members that choose to debate the subject. The only reason I have herd from the other side of the debate is that we already have a section that is [somewhat] suitable for debates, and a dead board would look bad for our website. I will personally look out for the board, give it rules, structure, and moderate it thoroughly so it does not die. Make your choice, but please base it off the polls and the many positives it can bring to the Ghoztcraft. That is my final thought on the subject.

Exactly my point. The Serious Discussion is an appropriate section to hear people's opinions and give advice to others based on one's personal experience. This is why the debate section should be a sub board, because it really is somewhat part of Serious Discussion, however it requires it's own section to avoid getting crowded with other topics, and to have it's own set of rules and formats to follow. Also, I am not changing my argument, I am just adding more reasons on why it should be it's own sub forum. Listen, we can argue this all day. The way I see it, the easiest thing is to make the board, and have a trial-error sort of thing. I have supplied many reasons, and showed how it makes our board look more organized, and shows off the pure maturity of our members that choose to debate the subject. The only reason I have herd from the other side of the debate is that we already have a section that is [somewhat] suitable for debates, and a dead board would look bad for our website.

You can't debate about something like that. It's not serious topic unless you're genuinely trying to figure out his sexual orientation then you could definitely go through without ever once flaming. It's the same reason why you can't have a serious discussion topic about how you think Elvis is alive and ruling the universe from his intergalactic spaceship. I agree with you on the fact that Nameless's "debate" was rather stupid. However you can debate it by saying, He is a faggot, he has sex with guys. [shows pics] No he is not, he has a girlfriend [shows myspace status] As long as you back up what you are saying, you can really debate anything.

Again, it doesn't seem fit to have debates in a section in which one is supposed to be discussing. If worst comes to worst and it becomes highly inactive (not that probable because there are lot of topics to debate), we could just delete the sub board and forget it ever happened. You're arguing semantics. Feel free to have debates in the serious discussion section like we've been doing all these years. I realize that we have been doing it in Serious Discussion, but it just is not efficient following rules that werent meant for discussions and not debates. Also, what reasons do you have for not having a debate board besides it already being shared with Serious Discussion? It makes the site look bad when we have inactive or duplicate sections. If the serious discussion section is dead, there's no reason to turn one inactive section into two. It's just unnecessary. These are the only extra rules for the serious discussion section: Nothing here would stop some one from having a serious debate. It is not the fact of having too many rules. It is the fact that it is lacking rules. Debates need to have very strict and enforced rules and formats. Also, it is not my main intentions to split fully revive Serious Discussions. I intend to have a section on the board where we can actually have healthy debates, and show off our website's maturity of members wile still being serious. But we CAN and HAVE had those exact same type of debates within the serious discussion section. Yes, but look at most of the threads in Serious Discussion. They are either about people's personal life, or questions people have to ask. The Serious Discussion forum is NOT dead. The debates that we used to have are. Having a section dedicated solely to debates would be more organized and more efficient.

I agree, again from what I said before, whats the worst that can happen?(Highly unlikely) It fails and then we delete it and it never even happened.

Again, it doesn't seem fit to have debates in a section in which one is supposed to be discussing. If worst comes to worst and it becomes highly inactive (not that probable because there are lot of topics to debate), we could just delete the sub board and forget it ever happened. You're arguing semantics. Feel free to have debates in the serious discussion section like we've been doing all these years. I realize that we have been doing it in Serious Discussion, but it just is not efficient following rules that werent meant for discussions and not debates. Also, what reasons do you have for not having a debate board besides it already being shared with Serious Discussion? It makes the site look bad when we have inactive or duplicate sections. If the serious discussion section is dead, there's no reason to turn one inactive section into two. It's just unnecessary. These are the only extra rules for the serious discussion section: Nothing here would stop some one from having a serious debate. It is not the fact of having too many rules. It is the fact that it is lacking rules. Debates need to have very strict and enforced rules and structure. Also, it is not my main intentions to fully revive Serious Discussions because it isn't really fully inactive. I intend to have a section on the board where we can actually have healthy debates, and show off our website's maturity of members wile still being serious. Please read what I said above about the flaming.

I realize what you mean by using some flaming when necessary. However, not to cause confusion, flaming the other person during a debate is never acceptable, however flaming the idea and providing proof is acceptable. ex. Bad - You are retarded. Good - The idea of not having a sub board is retarded because having debates withing Serious Discussion is too condensed.

Again, it doesn't seem fit to have debates in a section in which one is supposed to be discussing. If worst comes to worst and it becomes highly inactive (not that probable because there are lot of topics to debate), we could just delete the sub board and forget it ever happened. You're arguing semantics. Feel free to have debates in the serious discussion section like we've been doing all these years. I realize that we have been doing it in Serious Discussion, but it just is not efficient following rules that werent meant for discussions and not debates. Also, what reasons do you have for not having a debate board besides it already being shared with Serious Discussion?

Again, it doesn't seem fit to have debates in a section in which one is supposed to be discussing. If worst comes to worst and it becomes highly inactive (not that probable because there are lot of topics to debate), we could just delete the sub board and forget it ever happened. Also, having healthy debates will show off the class that is often forgotten in the flame board. I know it still exists in this website under the masks of people.

Yes, I think we need a sub board for that. I also think we need a new thread will a poll for that. Do you want to start a new thread on it, or should I do it instead? I agree with the new thread / poll, and I will make it. Hold on a second.

NEW TOPIC FOR DEBATE: Does anyone else think that having a sub board would be useful?

Debates and having a serious discussion are two very different things. Right now, we are debating on weather or not to have it, rather than discussing the usefulness of it. I really think It would be a great addition to the website.

Why have one scrunched together topic? I recommend we get a sub board within serious discussion for debates / arguments. Also, I have to say that if you want to have a real debate, flaming should not be encouraged, no matter what the situation. It is an IMMATURE means of communication. In fact, I will go message XGhozt with this idea right now.

I actually agree, he doesn't deserve to be banned, I only put him on mod preview after the 3rd post (outside the flameboard AFTER being warned to not flame). A ban just seems a little too strict.

Hahahahaha rofl

I really really like the third one.

Which is why I can't contemplate why everyone is making such a big deal of this. Apparently banning a member who rightfully deserves to be banned is considered "abuse of power" to some people.

Agreed, but only when it gets outside of the flameboard. (ex. When I warned Saken) You should never be banned or even judged for flaming in the flameboard.